tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5861130.post115262035821755735..comments2023-08-20T04:40:04.843-05:00Comments on Stephen M (Ethesis): Guest Post by Juliann: crafted narrativesStephenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00219023897626648057noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5861130.post-1152743093844088862006-07-12T17:24:00.000-05:002006-07-12T17:24:00.000-05:00Excellent post, Juliann!I would add that there is ...Excellent post, Juliann!<BR/><BR/>I would add that there is nothing in the posted statements that denies or affirms the "reality" of spiritual (irrational??) experiences. One can continue to believe in both God and Satan and yet accept the idea that conversion/deconversion is fundamentally a choice made by the individual acting on his/her perception of (1) what is real, (2) what is true, (3) Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5861130.post-1152704073465324692006-07-12T06:34:00.000-05:002006-07-12T06:34:00.000-05:00I messed up my quote-wonderful should be wonder an...I messed up my quote-wonderful should be wonder and I was going with a train of thought about how you could question how someone could be "dumb" enough to believe that and so what I said does not really make sense. Maybe someone has the original quote and can help me out. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5861130.post-1152703909164708572006-07-12T06:31:00.000-05:002006-07-12T06:31:00.000-05:00Interesting! This reminds me of a quote that I re...Interesting! This reminds me of a quote that I read by Ben of Mill. Star Blog before that talks about how if you wonderful how somebody there are intelligent people who are members of all major religions. I tried to pull up the quote who I do not recall who said it originally and my key words in the search engine did not bring up the results. But of all the major religions and major sects of Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5861130.post-1152676310174046232006-07-11T22:51:00.000-05:002006-07-11T22:51:00.000-05:00Barb asked: I like to learn why people believe wh...Barb asked: I like to learn why people believe what they believe of various faiths or if they are just going more with tradition of their fathers or for other reasons such as for socialization.<BR/>-------------<BR/><BR/>This is where I think market theory has been used to explain religious choices. Stark uses propositions that explain all behaviors:<BR/><BR/>"Within the limits of their Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5861130.post-1152675572525520452006-07-11T22:39:00.000-05:002006-07-11T22:39:00.000-05:00Roann, here is another quote that may explain the ...Roann, here is another quote that may explain the concept of the "Pauline conversion". I'm going to quote the sociologists themselves:<BR/><BR/>"A characterization of common perceptions of the Pauline experience on the road to Damascus should yield some interesting insights into how most people in Western culture have viewed conversion. First the experience has been perceived to be sudden, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5861130.post-1152674715984189752006-07-11T22:25:00.000-05:002006-07-11T22:25:00.000-05:00An excellent post, Juliann!An excellent post, Juliann!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5861130.post-1152670143244488572006-07-11T21:09:00.000-05:002006-07-11T21:09:00.000-05:00I like to learn why people believe what they belie...I like to learn why people believe what they believe of various faiths or if they are just going more with tradition of their fathers or for other reasons such as for socialization. It is interesting to have an objective model of looking at conversion process as well as apostasy and seeing how the are much alike in process. I guess for all of us the glass is half empty and it is easy to Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5861130.post-1152667752710112762006-07-11T20:29:00.000-05:002006-07-11T20:29:00.000-05:00I think you both make good points.I see Juliann's ...I think you both make good points.<BR/><BR/>I see Juliann's post as a place to start talking, not a place to finish talking.Stephenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00219023897626648057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5861130.post-1152645601758816892006-07-11T14:20:00.000-05:002006-07-11T14:20:00.000-05:00Very interesting post. I was unaware of the curren...Very interesting post. I was unaware of the current sociology of religion take on the process of conversion and unconversion. <BR/><BR/>If I understood correctly, it seems that by defining "conversion" as a natural mental process based on individual choice ("Sociology now illustrates that conversion and deconversion are similar processes and we convert ourselves"), God and Satan are removed from Rosalie Erekson Stonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01985594370560172873noreply@blogger.com